Rogers serial numbers were never intended to be sequentially consecutive indicators of when a drum was assembled, or which 'batch' the drum came from (as is the case in other manufacturing industries). Many drum manufacturers simply started using serial numbers so we, the customers, could record and identify our instruments. Rogers fans will strongly support their Swiv-o-matic Hardware. If you have any Rogers questions the drum forum is the place to answer them. We have a variety of Rogers collectors from every era including the Rogers XP-8 line of drums. I suggest you start in the Rogers Drum Set and Rogers Snare Drums catalog pages. The Rogers drum badge and Rogers finish pages are also very helpful when dating Rogers Drums. Rogers Drums are considered the best made drums in the 60's with the best quality control of any of the drum manufactureres of the time.
Rogers fans will strongly support their Swiv-o-matic Hardware. If you have any Rogers questions the drum forum is the place to answer them. We have a variety of Rogers collectors from every era including the Rogers XP-8 line of drums. (Catalog Scans) (Catalog Pages) Photos and Years of Rogers Badges Setting Up a Rogers Dynasonic Professional Drummer TommyP Rogers Brochure Photos of Rogers snare drums Photos of Rogers Dynasonic Snare Drums Scans of Rogers Catalogs Work in Progress.
This may take the form of perhaps one or two shells being Premier-made, (Birch shell but grain running around the drum and later mahogany). On other sets the mixing of parts is more obvious. Some sets are a jumble of Premier and Rogers parts. It looks as if Premier were using up B&H’s stock of parts, as has so often happened in the history of drum manufacture. This is not confined to English Rogers. Premier, also appear to have had a hand in the production of later Nu-Sound drum sets as well.
This page has a variety of Rogers History sections. I suggest you start in the Rogers Drum Set and Rogers Snare Drums catalog pages.
This helps us with improving the accuracy of the dating guide. We need date, size, color, lug type, paper tag info, serial numbers, model, all info about your drum. Just the one you are absolutely sure you know the year it was purchased.
I have been working on a signifigant dates(years found in print) list for the History of Rogers Drum Co. It has the colors offered in print and models offered as a ref guide. I will try to finish it, and post it, by the weekend. Specific dates are tricky with this stuff because you can safely bet to pull back or push forward a year with dates. Mardi Gras, the color, is a prime example.
If it doesnt have felts, I dont know. I will have a look at the felts when i get it. Not sure what colour they are yet. The 114xxx is clearly a 1983 number. As to just when.
I will have a look at the felts when i get it. Not sure what colour they are yet. The 114xxx is clearly a 1983 number. As to just when.
66536 - Mardi Gras drum kit which for various reasons I would date to late 1961. 96809 - English Dynasonic owned by Martin Black since being purchased on 12th December 1965 for which he still has the receipt. These two numbers separated by 4 years with the application of a little arithmetic give a reasonable estimate of dates given by the serial number. The following table is offered as a rough guide: 66356 Dec 61 74105 Dec 62 81673 Dec 63 89241 Dec 64 96809 Dec 65 104377 Dec 66 This method does make some assumptions: • That the same proportion of drums were stamped with a serial number throughout production. • That production remained fairly constant throughout. It seems unlikely that either of these would have been the case, and certainly we might expect that production was declining towards the end.
Good schtuff being gathered here(see teaser pic). Time to piece this together as an addition to the must have The Rogers Book second ed. Email fltgrycleav@yahoo Peace, Gary.
Side by side, few people could tell which is which given equal tuning and set up. As to the knob on the throw off and dampener.especially with the throwoff. The size changes from era to era. I am not exactly sure of the particulars on this, but having drums that span 1965-1983.Seven Dynasonics, I can readily look at each drum and notice changes in the Swivomatic Throwoff. Especially in the size, shape, and quality of the knob. With the earlier drums having a smaller solid knob, Fullerton drums having a larger knob, and Big R drums changing from this larger solid knob to a lighter weight cheaper version by the 1983 year. (I have two drums from this period) Also, The dampener on my 1983 maple XP10 Dynasonic was cheesy.
That being the case, how can my dyna-sonic be a 1964 model? RadialProMan: With a photo of you playing your Dynasonic in Oct 1963, it sounds like you answered your own question. Ploughman was absolutely correct in that your serial number is later than the 1963 B&B/Beavertail transition, but it's possible an assembler at Rogers grabbed your 3000 series badge a bit earlier than 1964. Rogers serial numbers were never intended to be sequentially consecutive indicators of when a drum was assembled, or which 'batch' the drum came from (as is the case in other manufacturing industries). Many drum manufacturers simply started using serial numbers so we, the customers, could record and identify our instruments.
Rogers 9x13” Tom-Tom in Red Sparkle Pearl. Holiday label #20285 Cleveland. Small B&B lugs. Flat grey interior. These two drums plus a 16x16 floor tom with large B&B lugs, which was destroyed when a car hit it while loading gear and a Dyna which was stolen, came as a set from the factory.
English Rogers serial numbers Through most of the 60s B&H appear to have used the same format of serial number on its whole range of drums. This consists of an ink stamp inside the shell of a five (and later six) figure number with the words “Made in England” underneath.
D114608 maple Big R 1983 D122346 maple Big R 1983 D731420 maple Big R 8x14, 1980 Powertones. 3627, Cleveland clockface cob, beavertails, 1964-65? 3732, Cleveland elongated wrapped wood, beavertail, 7 Dayton Tag two of the beavertails on this are deteriorated in a fashion which suggests high heat exposure.
Is hard to spot. I have a dated Superten 1-26-83, number 101528, that was built for Gina Schock of the Go-Gos, it has green felts. Tommykat has another drum dated the same day also built for Gina Schock that has black felts.
They were printed on rolls of labels which were mixed up and used in different places at the plant. The best way to do it is from some construction details. Post a couple of photos and aa couple of guys here can help you out. Yes, it is a Big R. I have not yet taken possession. Will post photos when I receive. Lovetheblues, your Dynasonic COB serial 114xxx.
But: that is an old list, and some of that data has changed since then. It came to be over 10 years ago in an attempt to organize some known facts, and both Kelly Smith and Rob Cook are to be commended for their efforts - but a lot more has been uncovered since then.
More specific what do we need to add to it for it to be complete? Good stuff in the works here and I'd like to add a to date 2010 finalized version that is as close as we are able at this point in time. With that disclaimer. A list of names for contgributors will have to be noted as well.
For the Big R USA period of Rogers drums, 1975-84, ALL Big R badges will look like this. Even those without serial numbers. Will always have USA on the Badge. If USA is not on the badge, then it is not USA Big R Rogers.
Less than half of the drums have a serial number, and there is no date implicit in the serial number itself, but those drums that do have one, show that the numbers are sequential. In order to use the number to date the drums this would require a few numbers for which the date of manufacture was known for certain, and these are shown below. 66536 - Mardi Gras drum kit which for various reasons I would date to late 1961. 96809 - English Dynasonic owned by Martin Black since being purchased on 12th December 1965 for which he still has the receipt.
Also to confirm Roger Big R badge dynasonics do not have dynasonic written on their badge. Is that correct? Will SuperTen snares which came in the same era will ever have a cross sectional snare bed/bar as dynasonics? Reason I ask is that both are chrome over metal so hard to say from photos if they are brass or steel.
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Lovetheblues, your Dynasonic COB serial 114xxx. Should have black felts.
This may take the form of perhaps one or two shells being Premier-made, (Birch shell but grain running around the drum and later mahogany). On other sets the mixing of parts is more obvious. Some sets are a jumble of Premier and Rogers parts. It looks as if Premier were using up B&H’s stock of parts, as has so often happened in the history of drum manufacture. This is not confined to English Rogers.
The earliest is unplayable. The lugs are cracked. That drum is a 1961 first generation Dyna. The 170th drum to wear the badge. Hard to argue that drum being a Covington built drum is better than a Big R period drum that has never failed. So my drums span 1961 to 1984 when Rogers shut down.
(I have two drums from this period) Also, The dampener on my 1983 maple XP10 Dynasonic was cheesy. I replaced it with an earlier Fullerton Big R period dampener. Hope this helps. Tommy P is the real expert here.
Edited by DanC, 29 March 2010 - 11:43 AM. Rogers serial number chart: Your snare is from '67 or so, as Dan stated above. But: that is an old list, and some of that data has changed since then. It came to be over 10 years ago in an attempt to organize some known facts, and both Kelly Smith and Rob Cook are to be commended for their efforts - but a lot more has been uncovered since then. For the Dynasonics it's ok, but even there there are problems; there are number ranges like 03xxx/05xxx/07xxx shown - there were never any numbers starting with a zero, and 3xxx is shown as a separate range adding to the confusion. New here, so please be kind if I break an etiquette rule by mistake. I have recently bought a big R CoB Dynasonic.
First seen in the swatch page in 1958. Someone once mentioned that it can be found offered in the text of 1957 but not in the swatch. That would explain the pull back of Mardi from [sign in to see URL] to 1957 as we've seen Mardi examples with the 57 flat top lugs and eagle badges. Also the close for Mardi Gras.
Roger: Bruce and I were working on a new list when he passed away. I've never tried to contact his wife, feeling it was inappropriate in the midst of her loss. That was a number of years ago and I don't know if she still has the same address, etc. Personally, I would feel very uncomfortable asking her to look for that stuff - it's probably been packed away or even discarded. Edited by DanC, 01 June 2010 - 11:24 AM. Lovetheblues, you have a Big R label on your drum, correct?
Time to piece this together as an addition to the must have The Rogers Book second ed. Email fltgrycleav@yahoo Peace, Gary. Lovetheblues: you have a Big R label on your drum, correct? Not easy to date those drums as the serials tend to be all over the place. They were printed on rolls of labels which were mixed up and used in different places at the plant. The best way to do it is from some construction details. Post a couple of photos and aa couple of guys here can help you out.
As you know, Jack Souligny, ROF head, was working on the list with Bruce also. He knows Bruce's wife and has been in touch. Bill, You rock for doing that! Lets try to wrap this work in progress serial number list to the best we are able from our own 'original' actual drums and be done with this. I think it is possible with the 6K members here. More specific what do we need to add to it for it to be complete? Good stuff in the works here and I'd like to add a to date 2010 finalized version that is as close as we are able at this point in time.
Rogers serial number chart: Your snare is from '67 or so, as Dan stated above. But: that is an old list, and some of that data has changed since then.
Download cheat bakery story mod apk. Last edited by ThePloughman, 4/28/2007, 3:59 pm 4/28/2007, 1:54 pm ROF Drum Head Global user Registered: 04-2007 Location: Hamilton, MT Posts: 3774 Re: Dating Guide quote: LongRoll Anyone that has a Rogers drum that they bought or know for sure when it was bought, please post the info about the drum. This helps us with improving the accuracy of the dating guide. We need date, size, color, lug type, paper tag info, serial numbers, model, all info about your drum.
Your snare is from '67 or so, as Dan stated above. But: that is an old list, and some of that data has changed since then. It came to be over 10 years ago in an attempt to organize some known facts, and both Kelly Smith and Rob Cook are to be commended for their efforts - but a lot more has been uncovered since then. For the Dynasonics it's ok, but even there there are problems; there are number ranges like 03xxx/05xxx/07xxx shown - there were never any numbers starting with a zero, and 3xxx is shown as a separate range adding to the confusion. The major problem is that column where 'Holiday' is mixed in with Londoner, Constellation, Headliner, Spotlight, Starlight, Swingtime etc. It is totally misleading. There is nothing that connects the layout of a drumkit, e.g.
Thanks for the info. Big 'R' drums are hard to date because of the re use of the serial numbers (when they ordered new rolls of foil tags, they started with the same series of numbers) 53004 last of the oval badge Dynasonic's mid 1974 13723 ---1968 Dayton 10407----mid 1967 Big 'R' Maple ----1983 Powertone 3623----end of 1963 Powertone 3732----early 1964, someone changed the throw. Powertone 15697----early 1967. The intense heat from the Covington fire (February 4th 1967) did buckle lugs. (Info from Rob Cook's Rogers Book) Those lugs might be from fire. Thanks, Bruce 4/29/2007, 11:32 am Page: 1.
And hope to find out if Bruces wife, Cathy, is ready to dig into some of his records and get the dating info. I will keep you all posted. I BUY ROGERS DRUMS!
English Rogers serial numbers Through most of the 60s B&H appear to have used the same format of serial number on its whole range of drums. This consists of an ink stamp inside the shell of a five (and later six) figure number with the words “Made in England” underneath. It is likely that Ajax had no interest in these serial numbers. They may well have been introduced to for fill the needs of insurance companies and law enforcement rather than any reason relating to drum production. Less than half of the drums have a serial number, and there is no date implicit in the serial number itself, but those drums that do have one, show that the numbers are sequential. In order to use the number to date the drums this would require a few numbers for which the date of manufacture was known for certain, and these are shown below.
The Rogers drum badge and Rogers finish pages are also very helpful when dating Rogers Drums. Rogers Drums are considered the best made drums in the 60's with the best quality control of any of the drum manufactureres of the time. Rogers fans will strongly support their Swiv-o-matic Hardware. If you have any Rogers questions the drum forum is the place to answer them.
I also get people asking what factory a drum might have shipped from or the exact month a drum was made or even the production numbers etc. The ever important serial number which some companies keep detailed records of unfortunately does not exist in the history of drums. We also have to state that much of the record keeping was archaic at best and in some cases history was destroyed in plant fires or just tossed in the garbage! With that said many drum companies never even used serial numbers early on. In most cases the best way to estimate the date of a drum is its physical characteristics. Fortunately drum companies since the 40's were good at printing catalogs.
Five line COB shells, Dayton, early Fullerton era. Changes to lugs, (lighter casting) There are differences you can see, and some you have to disassemble to see, but overall, the same high quality drums. This drum, 1968 Badge number -1975 Fullerton Ca. Drums from upper 30000 to approx. Lug changes, Bottom hoop changes, frame change.
Not easy to date those drums as the serials tend to be all over the place. They were printed on rolls of labels which were mixed up and used in different places at the plant. The best way to do it is from some construction details. Post a couple of photos and aa couple of guys here can help you out. Yes, it is a Big R. I have not yet taken possession.